let's take a minute to breath and think...

[notadogfan]

defendthejust1 said:

obliqueone.blogspot.com/2006/09/boycott-max-factor.html btw that "crack" reference that you made sherry was quoted from a TABLOID! A BASELESS RAG SOLD FOR NOTHING MORE THAN MERE ENTERTAINMENT!

Another groupie spouting off lies at Andrew Luster's expense and in favor of Dawg and Litter.

I read the blog spot by Sydney that you posted. She seems to spout some of the same sorry lies that Dawg and Litter do.

I'll be back with more on this.

And, why on earth is she boycotting Max Factor cosmetics? They sold their business to I believe Proctor and Gamble many, many years ago and have nothing to do with Andrew Luster or his case.

This is one desillusional (sp?) chick who heard some lies here and there, and didn't check her facts before posting her garbage.

[stillatlarge]

Look at the picture in the top left of this site. If that aint a crackhead I never saw one! ;D

[defendthejust1]

this is going to be my last post on this because I am just tired of the personal attacks you have levelled against me. I have asked that you speak to me respectfully but you don't seem to care. I find Mr Luster's actions very questionable and am not suprised he's in jail. there are cops and lawyers in my family and friends and they are excellent at what they do. because i have personally hung out with them i have learned to know when i'm being b.s.'ed and my b.s. meter is going off the charts about Luster. but hey...whatever y'all wanna believe...I won't be back again. admin...delete my account....buh bye!

[Sherry]

Nobody's been disrespectful to you. You come here and claim to argue facts and then all you post is deliberately misconstrued snippets of other articles. It's obvious you are unable to command the facts well enough to make a defense. That's impossible because you know we are speaking the truth so you run like a rabbit.

[notadogfan]

Okay, some comments from yours truly on Sydney's blog that a dog fan posted here. I had to print out the entire blog and many comments to get a feel.

Sydney starts her blog saying she wouldn't use Max Factor's "tacky" cosmetics anyway.

After spending many hours on and off since last October in forums that are Dawg fan, anti-Dawg fan, and a mix, that happened to get pulled into the hoopla by Dawg fans, I've seen other pro-Dawg groupies say they were going to boycott Max Factor (and encouraging others to do the same) or say something similar to what Sydney did.

Sydney and others need to check their facts. First, Max Factor was sold to Proctor and Gamble years ago. Therefore, boycotting their products has no relevance. This company has nothing to do with the Andrew Luster case and many claims that he is an "HEIR" are false. So get your stories straight. Perhaps Proctor & Gamble/Max Factor should be suing these false prophets that decend from the bowels of Dawg Crapman and his Litter.

While reguritating the same ole' sorry praise of Dawg and condemnation of Andrew, Sydney claims that "in the midst of a rather lurid trial on charges that he had, over a period of time, drugged several young women and then filmed himself whilst raping them in his home..." The word that strikes me here is "SEVERAL." Now the actual accusers of Andrew that came forward amounted to three and that was after international and major widespread attention to the case. To me, several means more than three. It means more like, well more than five or maybe even ten or twenty or more.

Then, in the third paragraph of Sydney Sherlock's blog she claims, "Several of the young women were teenagers during the time that the crimes occured." This is an outright lie. The first two accusers were definintely not teenagers and the alleged 17 year old I read was a friend of Andrew's for sometime and their consensual including sexual relationship occured after she was of legal age.

In the fourth paragraph Einstein Sydney claims, "As I recall, Luster maintained a fairly arrogant and smarmy attitude during the trial . . ." Who says . . .She??? Was she at the trial?

In the fifth paragraph, Sherlock Sydney states . . ." Mexican authorites did not seem to be able to help the U.S. authorities to locate Andrew Luster..." It so happens, Sydney, that the US FBI was given the tip on Andrew's whereabouts in Mexico a day or two after the informants notified Dawgie. The FBI, working through proper channels and through Mexican officials, were only hours behind Dawg in the capture and both the FBI and Mexican officials were thwarted through Dawg's illegal and vigilante kidnapping.

There may be more in this nonsense blog but this is it for me tonight.

Well, gee whiz, Sydney, but you need to check your facts before spewing some of the lies you get from Dawg or his litter and groupies on other forums.

I mean, gee whiz, Sydney, I've visited a number of forums on Dawg, pro, anti and mixed, and I see the same ole' lies appearing time and time again.

At least, in your case, you didn't spew the lie that some fans who don't check facts on and claim Andrew raped 86 women. I've heard this three or more times. Duhh! He was accused of raping three women not 86. The 86 figure are the rape counts he received from three alleged rape victims whom I believe lied. Big difference on accusing someone of raping 3 women or 86. Very big difference in public views when they read this media trash.

I've heard others say, including Dawg and Hawg in interviews, that Andrew was raping women in Mexico (no proof and no accusers) and through them or their clueless groupies that Andrew raped hundreds of women and/or was/is an international rapist. All media sensationlism and mass hysteria with no facts to prove.

Further, Dawgie and Hawgie continue to lie that Andrew's Mexican hotel room and Santa Barbara House contained date rape drugs and rape kits including hand cuffs. All lies to bolster Dawg's and Hawg's egos and star rating that the media laps up.

Sydney, girl, get your facts straight, please.

[defendthejust1]

sherry said:

Nobody's been disrespectful to you. You come here and claim to argue facts and then all you post is deliberately misconstrued snippets of other articles. It's obvious you are unable to command the facts well enough to make a defense. That's impossible because you know we are speaking the truth so you run like a rabbit.

just found my account hasn't been deleted so i'm going to make one more post...and that is bull##### sherry...YOU..have been VERY disrespectful towards me and I will no longer tolerate your rubbish-laden, ridiculous comments. you are a self righteous arrogant little person whose beligerence is off the scale! frankly, the only way you're able to defend YOURSELF is if YOU insult others just to make yourself look better....in an attempt to make me look foolish, you have done nothing more than make yourself look like an ass! and I'm not suprised you've not run to tell admin i've requested to have my account deleted because you can't handle dealing with me.

[notadogfan]

defendthejust1 said:

sherry said:

Nobody's been disrespectful to you. You come here and claim to argue facts and then all you post is deliberately misconstrued snippets of other articles. It's obvious you are unable to command the facts well enough to make a defense. That's impossible because you know we are speaking the truth so you run like a rabbit.

just found my account hasn't been deleted so i'm going to make one more post...and that is bull##### sherry...YOU..have been VERY disrespectful towards me and I will no longer tolerate your rubbish-laden, ridiculous comments. you are a self righteous arrogant little person whose beligerence is off the scale! frankly, the only way you're able to defend YOURSELF is if YOU insult others just to make yourself look better....in an attempt to make me look foolish, you have done nothing more than make yourself look like an ass! and I'm not suprised you've not run to tell admin i've requested to have my account deleted because you can't handle dealing with me.

Defendingwhat,

I hope you read my comments about Sydney's blog.

Ann the NotaDogFan

[dtbh]

My Opinion...................

I think it's wrong for anyone to attack the Chapmans for what they did. In my PERSONAL opinion, I think they should be declared heroes! I have read several of the postings on this site and, quite frankly, don't agree with any of them. I read something stating that Dog, Leland, and Tim were claiming that they apprehended Luster in a bar, when in fact they took him into custody at a taco stand. I haven't heard any of the Chapmans claim they got him in the bar. The only thing I have heard is that they first sighted him in a bar, "living it up" and quite possibly looking for yet another victim. They then followed him to a near by taco stand, where he was taken into custody, with a Mexican officer standing by.

I also read on this site that there was no evidence found in Luster's hotel room. I have, however, seen many different sites and heard many different people talking about how the Mexican Police found lots of evidence against him in his room. Like a journal with a list of people he planned to "pay back".

I have not followed Andrew Luster's case down to detail because the thought of him sickens me, as a woman and a Mother. I just wanted to take a minute to express my thoughts and to say that I think if the Chapmans are prosecuted for this, it will be a huge injustice! I applaud them for what they have done, and love the fact that they would do it again, if need be. I think as Americans, we should stand up and say, "don't punish our heroes for taking a "wanted man" out of somewhere he shouldn't have been in the first place." And, by the way. As I see it, all the Chapmans did was hunt him down and locate him. The Mexican police are the ones that actually took Luster into custody and arrested him. The Dog & crew just made it easier for them.

A True Fan of the Chapman Family

[notadogfan]

dtbh said:

My Opinion...................
I have not followed Andrew Luster's case down to detail because the thought of him sickens me, as a woman and a Mother. I just wanted to take a minute to express my thoughts and to say that I think if the Chapman's are prosecuted for this, it will be a huge injustice!

Another clueless Dawgie fan who admits they haven't read much on the Andrew Luster case. I'm also a female and a mother.

The thought of Luster sickens you? Well, the thought of Dawg and Hawg sickens me too and from the first moment I laid eyes on them and even before learning about this forum. But, I did also learn much about their sordid past and current personal lives as well as some crime history that extends beyond what Dog has admitted.

I ask you this? If Luster gets an appeal and the three accusers are forced to go in front of a jury again, and if Dog and litter are called to account for the many lies they've told to boost their egos, star ratings, and get out of jail free, and it is found in another trial that Luster is innocent, won't you have a change of heart and brain then?

Or, are you so fooled by the Chapman's that you will believe ANYTHING THEY SAY?

These are no heros!

[Sherry]

Why bother with idiots like that, Ann? Seriously, we are in dire peril as a country and a people when this is the level of education and reasoning of the population. I see it everday though at the college level. I really don't know how they function in everyday life. It's no wonder we were conned into Iraq and everything else...rampant stupidity is threatening our very survival.