Post by TheTruth on Jul 5, 2003 13:14:42 GMT -5
SIMPLY THE FACT THAT THE TAPE SHOWS SOMEONE APPARENTLY UNCONCIOUS DOES NOT NECESSARILY PROVE NON-CONSENT.
If the "victim" was unaware of the taping, how did it come to light in the first place? There are too many unanswered questions and too much secrecy on the part of the prosecution. These women were "party girls". A lot of people don't know what that means or entails. These were not as the media portrayed them wide-eyed Iowa farm girls right off the train preyed on by some wolfish millionaire playboy their first night in town. These women not only had frequent recreational sex with Luster and his friends, consenting to have the encounters taped, but they all used alcohol and drugs-not just drugs, mind you, SEX drugs such as GHB. GHB is not only used to render someone unconcious, but it is taken much like Viagra.
These people were all active in the L.A. and Hollywood club scene where kinky sex and the use of these drugs is the norm. It is very possible this was what's known as "play" or what's known as a "scene".
Why did the judge forbid the jury to see the tape where the same complainant ACKNOWLEDGED the camera? Why was that victim allowed to lie on the stand? The prosecutor admitted to the judge that she had in fact lied.
The woman were girlfriends of Luster. They LIVED with him for months before after the taped sex took place. They knew his proclivities and kinks. Anyone who knew him did. Why weren't any of his friends, male and female, who did the same thing he was accused of, prosecuted? The breakup with one of them was so bitter that he sued to recover the $ he paid for her root canal.
That anger and hostility from the breakup could have been sufficient motive for the false charge, NOT TO MENTION THE FAMILY MILLIONS. Funny how the "victim" only then became aware of the tape. If the guy was so obviously guilty, why the need for all the prosecutorial and police misconduct so rapant and brazen in this case from the beginning?The fact that he fled is not proof of or "conciousness of guilt", but possibly "conciousness of frame-up" instead.
I would want to see more independent , CREDIBLE proof before I agree that putting this man away for LIFE was justified.
The ACCUSERS-
“Victim/Witness” #1-Carrie or Cara-met Andrew and his friend at a bar, left with them and had sex with the friend in the back seat of the car on the way to Andrew’s house, then stripped and skinny dipped in the ocean after jumping off the pier near his house. She claimed Andrew slipped her GHB at the bar sometime that evening. An expert testified that ghb would take effect and would potentially render someone unconscious in 15 minutes. Clearly more than 15 minutes lapsed between the time she consumed the first drink, left the bar with them, had sex in the back seat as they drove to his house, stripped, and skinny dipped.
She testified that she later accepted another drink from Mr. Luster at his house after the skinny dipping. The approximate “half-life” of GHB in the body is 2 days-coincidentally, of course, she waited two days to report the “rape” to the police. She was advised by police to call Andrew and coached to tape the phone call and to use specific language in an effort to get him to say something incriminating, and to set up a rendezvous where the police then arrested him.
The excerpt of the conversation proved nothing beyond the fact they had used GHB and had sex. There was nothing incriminating in the portion of the call used to suggest guilt. Her report to the police and this subtle and deceptive phone conversation alone, in which he seemed more confused than anything, was used as probable cause to arrest Andrew Luster. As soon as he was in police custody, apparently being denied an attorney, police searched his apartment and found the amateur sex videos, porn, nude pictures, sex toys such as vibrators, etc., which the judge later allowed to be admitted and shown to the jury to prejudice them, and to suggest they should make the ridiculous leap that his possession of them meant he must be a rapist.
All of the above are legal items commonly found in the home of single, sexually active, adult males. No mention was made of any tape confirming they had sex, nor did they address the identity or testimony of the friend of Andrew Luster’s who was present the night this allegedly occurred. No other proof was required. Her charge made the local news. Only then, did the other “victims”, including Tonya, become aware that they were “raped” after being contacted by the cops and shown the videos of themselves.
“Victim/Witness” # 2-Tonya, the most visible of the 3, and the only one to appear in the A & E report-went home with him alone in the wee hours of the morning after being introduced to him at the bar a few hours earlier. She admitted to willingly taking GHB with him at his house that very night. This is the night the alleged crime took place. The tape of this particular incident was repeatedly said to show Andrew Luster “brutally violating her in a ferocious way as she snored audibly”. NO BLOOD, NO PAIN, not even soreness the next day? She began a relationship with him and moved into his house 2 weeks later. This wasn’t just a sexual arrangement. They were “in love”.
She claims to have only become aware that she was “raped” when she saw the media reports of Cara’s charge. According to her version, (several of which she’s told) she was wearing the same clothes in the video the cops showed her -no proof offered or required that that was what she was wearing that night, or that this wasn’t one of the numerous consensual GHB sex sessions-simply her word again. In the several months she lived with Mr. Luster, she admitted to willingly taking GHB with him on a regular basis, allowing him to tape their sexual activities throughout that time, and can be seen acknowledging the camera on one of the tapes.
She lied on the stand regarding her consent to being taped having sex with him. That is a matter of PUBLIC RECORD. The judge suppressed the tape where she acknowledges the camera, refused to admit it into evidence, and wouldn’t allow the jury to view it or to be told of its’ existence. The prosecutor admitted to the same judge that she had in fact committed perjury when she denied allowing him to tape the encounters. No reprimand. No perjury charge. Nothing.
This was the incident which finally convinced Luster he had no hope of a fair trial and caused him to jump bond and flee. The Judge refused to allow the defense to cross examine her on this for another two weeks. The breakup of the relationship had been especially rancorous and bitter. She claimed in the A&E report that she became upset when seeing her picture added to the pictures of his former girlfriends and that it gave her “the creeps”. He had to sue to recover money for a root canal. Of course, there was no mention of this or her lies in the A&E story. She said he’d told her he was worth 80 million.
After the breakup, she married his next door neighbor where she has continued to live to the present. This is the same “victim” who was sooo “traumatized”. IMO, she was either well coached or a consummate actress, judging from all the feigned emotion over something she wasn’t even aware of for 4 years according to her testimony, which amounted to nothing more than what she had done consciously on all those occasions. Then again, maybe it’s not that difficult with the right motivation $$$$?
Reading between the lines of what she said last night, and knowing about the bitterness and hostility of the break up, in my opinion, this one smacks of the classic woman scorned. I also wonder if there wasn't some type of stalking behavior on her part considering that she moved next door to him. Coincidence? I detected jealousy in what she said about the girlfriend pics, and I suspect she was disappointed that she wasn’t “the one”. Luster was a good catch and she wanted to cash in one way or the other. It also provided the opportunity for revenge. Just speculating.
"Victim" #3- known only as “The Seventeen Year Old College Student”-they didn’t elaborate at all on this one beyond saying she went to his house all the time and felt safe there, but he supposedly “raped” her too. She was shown only in shadow, appeared to weigh around 180 lbs., and wasn’t attractive compared to the other two, though what, if any bearing that has, I don’t know. She is in her early to mid 20’s now. If she WAS 17, why wasn’t there a statutory rape charge among the 87 counts against him? It’s not as if they were pulling any punches and that would’ve been the easiest to prove.
I don't think they have a prayer in a civil suit considering how many times they've contradicted their own testimony on record since the trial. Everything they say in these taped tv shows is permanent record of it. Civil court is different than criminal court, and Andrew would have the opportunity to depose them and ask them the questions and confront them on their lies which he was denied in criminal court. He doesn't even have an attorney and the deadline for discovery is almost here. Either he can't afford one or he isn't worried since he lived on a Trust and there are usually protections built in to those and all the money would revert to his children or someone else. Even if the gold-diggers win, they get nothing but air.
roflmao
If the "victim" was unaware of the taping, how did it come to light in the first place? There are too many unanswered questions and too much secrecy on the part of the prosecution. These women were "party girls". A lot of people don't know what that means or entails. These were not as the media portrayed them wide-eyed Iowa farm girls right off the train preyed on by some wolfish millionaire playboy their first night in town. These women not only had frequent recreational sex with Luster and his friends, consenting to have the encounters taped, but they all used alcohol and drugs-not just drugs, mind you, SEX drugs such as GHB. GHB is not only used to render someone unconcious, but it is taken much like Viagra.
These people were all active in the L.A. and Hollywood club scene where kinky sex and the use of these drugs is the norm. It is very possible this was what's known as "play" or what's known as a "scene".
Why did the judge forbid the jury to see the tape where the same complainant ACKNOWLEDGED the camera? Why was that victim allowed to lie on the stand? The prosecutor admitted to the judge that she had in fact lied.
The woman were girlfriends of Luster. They LIVED with him for months before after the taped sex took place. They knew his proclivities and kinks. Anyone who knew him did. Why weren't any of his friends, male and female, who did the same thing he was accused of, prosecuted? The breakup with one of them was so bitter that he sued to recover the $ he paid for her root canal.
That anger and hostility from the breakup could have been sufficient motive for the false charge, NOT TO MENTION THE FAMILY MILLIONS. Funny how the "victim" only then became aware of the tape. If the guy was so obviously guilty, why the need for all the prosecutorial and police misconduct so rapant and brazen in this case from the beginning?The fact that he fled is not proof of or "conciousness of guilt", but possibly "conciousness of frame-up" instead.
I would want to see more independent , CREDIBLE proof before I agree that putting this man away for LIFE was justified.
The ACCUSERS-
“Victim/Witness” #1-Carrie or Cara-met Andrew and his friend at a bar, left with them and had sex with the friend in the back seat of the car on the way to Andrew’s house, then stripped and skinny dipped in the ocean after jumping off the pier near his house. She claimed Andrew slipped her GHB at the bar sometime that evening. An expert testified that ghb would take effect and would potentially render someone unconscious in 15 minutes. Clearly more than 15 minutes lapsed between the time she consumed the first drink, left the bar with them, had sex in the back seat as they drove to his house, stripped, and skinny dipped.
She testified that she later accepted another drink from Mr. Luster at his house after the skinny dipping. The approximate “half-life” of GHB in the body is 2 days-coincidentally, of course, she waited two days to report the “rape” to the police. She was advised by police to call Andrew and coached to tape the phone call and to use specific language in an effort to get him to say something incriminating, and to set up a rendezvous where the police then arrested him.
The excerpt of the conversation proved nothing beyond the fact they had used GHB and had sex. There was nothing incriminating in the portion of the call used to suggest guilt. Her report to the police and this subtle and deceptive phone conversation alone, in which he seemed more confused than anything, was used as probable cause to arrest Andrew Luster. As soon as he was in police custody, apparently being denied an attorney, police searched his apartment and found the amateur sex videos, porn, nude pictures, sex toys such as vibrators, etc., which the judge later allowed to be admitted and shown to the jury to prejudice them, and to suggest they should make the ridiculous leap that his possession of them meant he must be a rapist.
All of the above are legal items commonly found in the home of single, sexually active, adult males. No mention was made of any tape confirming they had sex, nor did they address the identity or testimony of the friend of Andrew Luster’s who was present the night this allegedly occurred. No other proof was required. Her charge made the local news. Only then, did the other “victims”, including Tonya, become aware that they were “raped” after being contacted by the cops and shown the videos of themselves.
“Victim/Witness” # 2-Tonya, the most visible of the 3, and the only one to appear in the A & E report-went home with him alone in the wee hours of the morning after being introduced to him at the bar a few hours earlier. She admitted to willingly taking GHB with him at his house that very night. This is the night the alleged crime took place. The tape of this particular incident was repeatedly said to show Andrew Luster “brutally violating her in a ferocious way as she snored audibly”. NO BLOOD, NO PAIN, not even soreness the next day? She began a relationship with him and moved into his house 2 weeks later. This wasn’t just a sexual arrangement. They were “in love”.
She claims to have only become aware that she was “raped” when she saw the media reports of Cara’s charge. According to her version, (several of which she’s told) she was wearing the same clothes in the video the cops showed her -no proof offered or required that that was what she was wearing that night, or that this wasn’t one of the numerous consensual GHB sex sessions-simply her word again. In the several months she lived with Mr. Luster, she admitted to willingly taking GHB with him on a regular basis, allowing him to tape their sexual activities throughout that time, and can be seen acknowledging the camera on one of the tapes.
She lied on the stand regarding her consent to being taped having sex with him. That is a matter of PUBLIC RECORD. The judge suppressed the tape where she acknowledges the camera, refused to admit it into evidence, and wouldn’t allow the jury to view it or to be told of its’ existence. The prosecutor admitted to the same judge that she had in fact committed perjury when she denied allowing him to tape the encounters. No reprimand. No perjury charge. Nothing.
This was the incident which finally convinced Luster he had no hope of a fair trial and caused him to jump bond and flee. The Judge refused to allow the defense to cross examine her on this for another two weeks. The breakup of the relationship had been especially rancorous and bitter. She claimed in the A&E report that she became upset when seeing her picture added to the pictures of his former girlfriends and that it gave her “the creeps”. He had to sue to recover money for a root canal. Of course, there was no mention of this or her lies in the A&E story. She said he’d told her he was worth 80 million.
After the breakup, she married his next door neighbor where she has continued to live to the present. This is the same “victim” who was sooo “traumatized”. IMO, she was either well coached or a consummate actress, judging from all the feigned emotion over something she wasn’t even aware of for 4 years according to her testimony, which amounted to nothing more than what she had done consciously on all those occasions. Then again, maybe it’s not that difficult with the right motivation $$$$?
Reading between the lines of what she said last night, and knowing about the bitterness and hostility of the break up, in my opinion, this one smacks of the classic woman scorned. I also wonder if there wasn't some type of stalking behavior on her part considering that she moved next door to him. Coincidence? I detected jealousy in what she said about the girlfriend pics, and I suspect she was disappointed that she wasn’t “the one”. Luster was a good catch and she wanted to cash in one way or the other. It also provided the opportunity for revenge. Just speculating.
"Victim" #3- known only as “The Seventeen Year Old College Student”-they didn’t elaborate at all on this one beyond saying she went to his house all the time and felt safe there, but he supposedly “raped” her too. She was shown only in shadow, appeared to weigh around 180 lbs., and wasn’t attractive compared to the other two, though what, if any bearing that has, I don’t know. She is in her early to mid 20’s now. If she WAS 17, why wasn’t there a statutory rape charge among the 87 counts against him? It’s not as if they were pulling any punches and that would’ve been the easiest to prove.
I don't think they have a prayer in a civil suit considering how many times they've contradicted their own testimony on record since the trial. Everything they say in these taped tv shows is permanent record of it. Civil court is different than criminal court, and Andrew would have the opportunity to depose them and ask them the questions and confront them on their lies which he was denied in criminal court. He doesn't even have an attorney and the deadline for discovery is almost here. Either he can't afford one or he isn't worried since he lived on a Trust and there are usually protections built in to those and all the money would revert to his children or someone else. Even if the gold-diggers win, they get nothing but air.
roflmao
