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Post by Sherry on Jul 13, 2007 16:28:58 GMT -5
Honest Question please........if this forum is so "fair" why do they only post the andrew luster viewpoint.......I can not help but notice that the forum for bad mouthing the dog is still aloud to be posted on........but the dog supporter forum is locked and you can only read.......Why are you afraid of an outside opinion.........Seems as if you only want your opinion out there........IF you are so right..........then wouldn't the other sides opinion just be funny and be laughed at......Find ISP's of anyone who comes any here with a different opionion.......that's fine........because I have slandered no one.........just stated what I believe........you should allow both sides to be heard in hear........then maybe the truth might come out.......you say what should be fair to Andrew Luster.........but you have forgotton that in the US there is a little thing called Freedom of Speech.........Why don't you do some research on that ..... Agree! There are Chapman Fans who are willing to hear your side of the events.. But you seem to bull them all into a corner on here and not want to listen to what they have to say. You dont have to agree with what they say, just listen, take it on board. Not think oh 'they are a Chapman fan, lets burn them'. Maybe 124 year is harsh but there is no excuse to burn every single Chapman fan because of that. 124 IS a harsh sentence for someone who is innocent. Noone here hasn't ever been treated with anything less than the respect they come here with. If you come to a board and attack and insult people because you haven't even bothered to inform yourself on the true facts of the case and expect respect and courtesy in return then don't be surprised.
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Post by Impacticon on Jul 19, 2007 10:00:00 GMT -5
Harsh sentence is an understatement. It is unprecedented in it's severity. None of the 3 "victims" suffered even a scratch, yet Andrew's sentence is equivalent to LIFE without parole. Murderers commonly get much lessor sentences.
Does this not bring a question into anyone else's mind that there might be "other agendas"? These girls were coached for testimony, and 2 out of 3 were not even aware any "crime" had been commited, until explained by law enforcement. Now they are emotionally scarred for life? Give me a break.
I have had far worse happen to me at the hands of others, and I am no worse for the wear. No one went to prison over it either. IMO, Luster has served more than adequate time and punishment for any perceived wrongdoings, and should be able to start life new.
Does anyone really think that he would have any inclination to repeat any of what they accuse him of? Why do they call it Dept Of Rehabilitation or Dept of Corrections, if there is no concept that anyone can ever be rehabilitated or corrected. Is that concept an admission that their own system is so flawed that they cannot do what their label attributes to them?
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Post by Impacticon on Jul 19, 2007 10:23:14 GMT -5
I have no real opinion on "Dog", other than what he did was also illegal (in Mexico). The Mexican judicial system has just as much right to move forward on him as the US felt they did on Luster. I fail to understand why anyone cannot comprehend that. The Mexican authorities complied with the US request immediately and without hesitation.
Chapman did indeed lie concerning what was found in Luster's room, and many other issues as well. All of his bluster and false claims should be taken with a grain of salt simply because people should understand that he is a "media personality" coveting publicity to further his career. He is exploiting the entire case, Luster, and even the "victims" through his actions.
Anyone who thinks his actions are out of noble cause are kidding themselves, and are not looking at the gains he has made out of all this. The US Federal authorities had the same info he did, and were moving forward in correct and legal manner. The only reason Chapman moved quicker, is because he was acting illegally.
It is all a non-issue concerning Luster though, because any chances Luster will get will not be based on Chapman or his illegal apprehension of Luster. Again, the US federal authorities were on the move on this, and would have captured Luster anyway. Had Chapman screwed it up and Mexican authorities had not turned over Luster, then Chapman would have been very guilty of interfering with a Federal Investigation. That could have landed him in a cell next to Luster. He should be happy (and quiet) that he didn't get pounded on by the US Feds.
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Post by notadogfan on Aug 3, 2007 0:26:46 GMT -5
I have had far worse happen to me at the hands of others, and I am no worse for the wear. No one went to prison over it either. IMO, Luster has served more than adequate time and punishment for any perceived wrongdoings, and should be able to start life new. You and me both, Impacticon. I've posted elsewhere in this forum that there are other "crimes" worse than or at least as bad as rape. It depends on the situation. Some rapes are worse than others depending on if violence other than the rape is involved, whether the victim is a minor or an adult, whether it's a gang rape versus a one on one situation, etc. I don't believe that Andrew Luster's "alleged" victims suffered much if at all. Maybe the second two accusers were embarrassed when the tapes were released and lied that they did not willingly participate in them. Not that they were victims because I believe Luster innocent of the charges. There is rape, then there is rape, then there are many other "crimes" and not all against the law that anyone can suffer from that may be worse than sexual crimes. Yet, the perpetrators don't spend even a day in jail or suffer any or not much condemnation by main stream society. Society needs to get a clue and a life about true suffering. Suffering years of being the victim of childhood bullying is a trauma. So is having a spouse abandon, cheat on, and force you through an unwanted divorce, especially when there are minor children and you have been married for many years. There's more. I don't believe that rape victims (or other "victims" of sexual crimes) have the goodies on victimhood and martyism in society. I mean, being a male and being badly beaten up and possibly permanently injured is surely a crime as devastating as a rape.
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Post by unregSearcher on Sept 30, 2008 12:24:35 GMT -5
I'm not sure if this forum is still active, I have registered, and waiting approval.
Really looking for any up to date information, after spending some time reading about the case.
So far it would appear the sentence/verdict was outrageously unfair. Has anything changed or developed?
Im hoping everyone hasn't just lost interest. Surely something can be done.
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Post by Impacticon on Dec 13, 2009 19:39:22 GMT -5
Harsh sentence is an understatement. It is unprecedented in it's severity. None of the 3 "victims" suffered even a scratch, yet Andrew's sentence is equivalent to LIFE without parole. Murderers commonly get much lessor sentences. Does this not bring a question into anyone else's mind that there might be "other agendas"? These girls were coached for testimony, and 2 out of 3 were not even aware any "crime" had been commited, until explained by law enforcement. Now they are emotionally scarred for life? Give me a break. I have had far worse happen to me at the hands of others, and I am no worse for the wear. No one went to prison over it either. IMO, Luster has served more than adequate time and punishment for any perceived wrongdoings, and should be able to start life new. Does anyone really think that he would have any inclination to repeat any of what they accuse him of? Why do they call it Dept Of Rehabilitation or Dept of Corrections, if there is no concept that anyone can ever be rehabilitated or corrected. Is that concept an admission that their own system is so flawed that they cannot do what their label attributes to them? So, here it is, the end of 2009. No changes yet. My opinion remains the same. Whatever Luster did, that he is being punished for, is history. People who have such negative opinions of him, have had their opinions molded by the press and bandwagon agendas. Obviously he is no saint, who is? He has now served as much time as many who have murdered and were released.
All of the public opinion that railed against him, should now start asking why he is still there. With no physical harm ever inflicted on anyone, and dubious as to the emotional injuries, why 124 years? What logical person could possibly think that's justice? That's vindication, revenge, and stinks of sideways agenda.
People with any sense of fairness and justice should start speaking up. If not, then we can kiss true fairness in the legal system goodbye
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