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Post by Sherry on Jul 27, 2003 19:39:59 GMT -5
You are quoting a confirmed perjurer. And for the 5th time, if it was so painful and so brutal, why did she not feel it the next morning? GHB might erase memory, it does not heal tissue, prevent bleeding, act as an anaesethetic or anti-inflammatory. Why when this occurred the first night she met him, did she then move in and live with him for 5 months, only leaving when he wouldn't commit? Tonjia was shown not only to have lied regarding knowledge and consent of the taping but the GHB as well. It's PUBLIC RECORD. Your continual parroting of the same discredited and false quotes only serves to invalidate your position and prove you have no clue as to the facts of the case. Is that your goal? I'm beginning to think I should thank you.
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Post by TheTruth on Jul 27, 2003 19:45:01 GMT -5
Why do they continually quote Tonjia? She is the least credible and most impeached of the three. Her own words are the most d**ning evidence of set-up in this case.
“Victim/Witness” # 2-Tonya, the most visible of the 3, and the only one to appear in the A & E report-went home with him alone in the wee hours of the morning after being introduced to him at the bar a few hours earlier. She admitted to willingly taking GHB with him at his house that very night. This is the night the alleged crime took place. The tape of this particular incident was repeatedly said to show Andrew Luster “brutally violating her in a ferocious way as she snored audibly”. NO BLOOD, NO PAIN, not even soreness the next day? She began a relationship with him and moved into his house 2 weeks later. This wasn’t just a sexual arrangement. They were “in love”.
She claims to have only become aware that she was “raped” when she saw the media reports of Cara’s charge. According to her version, (several of which she’s told) she was wearing the same clothes in the video the cops showed her -no proof offered or required that that was what she was wearing that night, or that this wasn’t one of the numerous consensual GHB sex sessions-simply her word again. In the several months she lived with Mr. Luster, she admitted to willingly taking GHB with him on a regular basis, allowing him to tape their sexual activities throughout that time, and can be seen acknowledging the camera on one of the tapes.
The poisoning charge, one of the 87 counts, did not stick after she repeatedly changed her story regarding knowing what GHB was when she took it that first night. She lied on the stand regarding her consent to being taped having sex with him. That is a matter of PUBLIC RECORD. The judge suppressed the tape where she acknowledges the camera, refused to admit it into evidence, and wouldn’t allow the jury to view it or to be told of its’ existence. The prosecutor admitted to the same judge that she had in fact committed perjury when she denied allowing him to tape the encounters. No reprimand. No perjury charge. Nothing.
This was the incident which finally convinced Luster he had no hope of a fair trial and caused him to jump bond and flee. The Judge refused to allow the defense to cross examine her on this for another two weeks. The breakup of the relationship had been especially rancorous and bitter. She claimed in the A&E report that she became upset when seeing her picture added to the pictures of his former girlfriends and that it gave her “the creeps”. He had to sue to recover money for a root canal. Of course, there was no mention of this or her lies in the A&E story. She said he’d told her he was worth 80 million.
After the breakup, she married his next door neighbor where she has continued to live to the present. This is the same “victim” who was sooo “traumatized”. IMO, she was either well coached or a consummate actress, judging from all the feigned emotion over something she wasn’t even aware of for 4 years according to her testimony, which amounted to nothing more than what she had done consciously on all those occasions. Then again, maybe it’s not that difficult with the right motivation $$$$?
Reading between the lines of what she said last night, and knowing about the bitterness and hostility of the break up, in my opinion, this one smacks of the classic woman scorned. I also wonder if there wasn't some type of stalking behavior on her part considering that she moved next door to him. Coincidence? I detected jealousy in what she said about the girlfriend pics, and I suspect she was disappointed that she wasn’t “the one”. She went to police "thinking she could help with the investigation" after hearing of Carrie's charges. Luster was a good catch and she wanted to cash in one way or the other. It also provided the opportunity for revenge. Just speculating.
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Post by stagetec on Jul 27, 2003 19:48:27 GMT -5
sherry she may be a confirmed perjurer,and luster is a convicted rapeist doing 124 years in the slammerEH?But you did not answer the ? Did you read the laws about rape of an unconscious person?
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Post by stagetec on Jul 27, 2003 19:52:57 GMT -5
Truth you mean luster keept the tapes for 4 years after she married the next door neighbor? Thats a little sick,don't you think? LMAO
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Post by TheTruth on Jul 27, 2003 19:59:44 GMT -5
I'm sure she did the first 10 times you posted it. Nobody has ever said Luster didn't violate the letter of the law. The law that says the woman can't give her consent to allow someone to have sex with her while she is unconcious is unconstitutional on its' face. What's the difference in sex or surgery? In both situations you give consent FIRST. Luster had consent of the women. The evidence bears that out. It was a victimless crime, but the prosecutors knew they would never get a conviction without "victims". They allowed Tonjia to lie in order to avert jury nullification. That's called subornation of perjury. No jury would ever have convicted him of "rape" on the letter of the misinterpreted and misapplied law. They refused to allow Luster to present a defense on the grounds that the law said it didn't matter if the women had okayed it or not, yet the judge allowed the prosecution to argue non-consent and refused to allow the jury to see the tape proving Tonjia was lying or to allow Roger Diamond to cross examine her. That's a violation of the 4th amendment. The accused has the right to confront the accuser/witness and to present a defense. Both those rights were denied. The verdict should be overturned on that alone. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to expound on that again. ;D
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Post by Yak on Jul 27, 2003 20:08:28 GMT -5
Sherry.......You say about Tonja.....{ Why when this occurred the first night she met him, did she then move in and live with him for 5 months, only leaving when he wouldn't commit?} ?? Is'nt that the "ONLY" problem "YOU" said would concern you with "ANY FEMALE MEMBER" of "YOUR" family interacting with Luster......COMMITMENT? ?? hmmmmmmm.......
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Post by TheTruth on Jul 27, 2003 20:11:49 GMT -5
No, I don't call it any sicker than the thousands of other americans who do the same. He had lots of tapes. How do you know she didn't keep a few herself? She regularly participated in the taping and GHB taking throughout the five months, then comes public and says it was "rape", how sick is that? He was a soft-core porn producer. He was just one of many out of the huge club scene in S.B. who regularly taped their sexual encounters. It's Hollywood, remember? Nothing the least bit unusual about it. I think it's pretty sick to move in to the guy next door after he supposedly raped you and continue to live there. I think it's pretty sick to make false accusations of rape out of greed and vengeance. Tonya was the stereotypical woman scorned.
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Post by TheTruth on Jul 27, 2003 20:14:13 GMT -5
If lack of comittment were a crime, 3/4 of the male population of the U.S. would be doing LIFE. What's your point? Oh, that's right, you don't have one, as usual.
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Post by Yak on Jul 27, 2003 20:34:48 GMT -5
I guess we better wake up stagetech. Seems the "truth" knows more about the club scene, drugs, and womens scorn more than anyone. The answer must be"{It's Hollywood, remember?"}. I must have forgot!!
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Post by Sherry on Jul 27, 2003 22:23:26 GMT -5
Maybe you might know a little more about it if you had a life. Drugs, sex, and clubs are a way of life for single people out here. Not ALL single people, but a LOT. Drew was very popular with women for whatever reason. He was rich (or thought to be), good-looking, fun, and popular. Anyone in his place is going to attract a bad female element. Remember Bonny Bakely?
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Post by RELENTLESSONE on Jul 27, 2003 22:30:03 GMT -5
Hey, Yuk: Now you're starting to catch on, but you still haven't done your homework. TheTruth still must repeat what has already been posted numerous times. When he has to do that, some of the other participants get a bit frustrated as they then have to review info just for you. It's all here. You just simply need to locate it, read it, and then ask all the questions you must...
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Post by stagetec on Jul 28, 2003 0:54:44 GMT -5
Ho boy truth Ill post this for the third time,BTW i don't take my post down you guys do. Rape of an unconscious person is unconstitutional. LOl it has a long history in america,use to be called Physically helpless,here are the N.Y law ,and its about the same in every state in america. www.vu.union.edu/~safespace/statelaw.html Lets see here is a case just like luster www.nctimes.net/news/090800/ddd.html how about alabama law it their www.houseofruthdothan.org/rapelaws.htm Truth their are to many links to rape of an unconscious person that its not funney.And you think it an unconstitutional law.That law has been around a long long time,like when they use to get them all drunk and passed out then rape them.
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Post by RELENTLESSONE on Jul 28, 2003 2:10:44 GMT -5
Sounds like Contract Law with criminal ramifications. How many times must one secure permission? How many times must one experience coitus-interuptus to reconfirm permission?? How should one express/comprehend rescinding of permission??? Makes the club/party scene very complicated...
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Post by Yak on Jul 28, 2003 7:58:13 GMT -5
Sherry....."{Drugs, sex, and clubs are a way of life for single people out here}" duhhh....only there???. I kind of remember a little about it when i HAD a life.
ms Anon....practice what you preech.....you might learn something from Stagetech......
Last and least....is this "TRUTH" or "Consequences" ??
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Post by tator on Jul 28, 2003 9:23:01 GMT -5
Yak what is the difference between Rape and murder. You seem to be against rape but, support murder. Andrew and Duane are both Felons just different charges. Which to you want with one of your family members a rapist or a muderer?
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